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Post by eean on Feb 17, 2013 19:46:26 GMT
Tried the sip rim on the rear hub today, they are having a laugh with the amount of turns of the nut to tighten arent they and whats the point of having a lightweight rim to have that overidden by nuts that weigh a fuckin ton
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Post by tony on Feb 17, 2013 22:09:46 GMT
Yep. That's why I use k nuts mate. The washers are nice though and you may need to use a thin wall socket
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Post by eean on Feb 17, 2013 22:57:20 GMT
Cheers Tony
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Post by amazombi on Feb 18, 2013 10:03:49 GMT
I'm not sure that sending free samples of a well developed and proven product for betatesting is an economically feasible approach. I do that pretty often, but then I'm a notorious business failure, I guess.
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Post by eean on Feb 18, 2013 19:17:20 GMT
I went to discuss the frame today for the project Mathias, hes finally got time to do it now so wont be long I hope to give you some dimensions and pictures for the pipe you want to send me for testing ;D ;D
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Post by tony on Feb 18, 2013 20:39:23 GMT
Would you say the Falc clutch is a proven product?
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Post by tony on Feb 18, 2013 20:42:13 GMT
😄 Ha.. I just seen you are sending a pipe for testing 😄 cool..
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Post by eean on Feb 18, 2013 20:50:23 GMT
He probably will Tony when I've parted with Euros for it ;D
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Post by tony on Feb 18, 2013 21:57:15 GMT
Of course he will.
Going back to the 'proven product 'comment.. The hartz has not been raced with over here. I have not tested it either . Talking to my italian racer friends the falc clutch is used extensively and works well and i am sure i have heard that on the esc the falc clutch works well... The Falc clutch did not cope with my race bike or johns on the bsso tracks. Adams standard 153 Falc however was fine with the standard Falc clutch on his bsso race bike. So I would put the clutch failure down to the state of tune of iohn's and my bike. So... To me the hartz is not proven... Yet.
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Post by smallframetony on Feb 18, 2013 22:01:43 GMT
Of course he will. Going back to the 'proven product 'comment.. The hartz has not been raced with over here. I have not tested it either . Talking to my italian racer friends the falc clutch is used extensively and works well and i am sure i have heard that on the esc the falc clutch works well... The Falc clutch did not cope with my race bike or johns on the bsso tracks. Adams standard 153 Falc however was fine with the standard Falc clutch on his bsso race bike. So I would put the clutch failure down to the state of tune of iohn's and my bike. So... To me the hartz is not proven... Yet. Is there not a clutch out there that holds a monster engine? Did you find a clutch that held yours and Johns engines Tony?
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Post by amazombi on Feb 18, 2013 22:48:06 GMT
Would you say the Falc clutch is a proven product? Yes. And it was so before the first reached British soil. Same with the Hartz clutch. Sorry, I tried to explain the technical aspects (slot or not, weight and it's effect on inertia) as best I could. I also said that if one is happy with a particular product staying with it is perfectly understandable and acceptable. Being told that personal experience (in this particular case with both clutches plus a few others) does not count as long as they are not properly approved sort of defies the idea of a forum, I think. What's the problem? I mean I build my own pipes and still it's possible to accept that there is more than one road to Rome.
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Post by tony on Feb 19, 2013 10:11:47 GMT
Totally agree . There is no problem but my point is this.. Just because a product is proven say in esc that doesn't mean it's proven in bsso and vice versa. Applications are different. I also do understand the taper fit function and you didn't need to explain it to me personally but maybe they was for the benefit of others too.. but as I said at 50 ft lbs this taper can let go because it has happened to me several times on my race bike. At the end if the day piaggio weren't expecting 15/16 lbs of torque through that. The purpose of the forum us to discuss, listen and learn. I learnt that I can torque a hartz to the moon and therefore it should hold but it's also half a kilo heavier. So it's pros and cons..
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Post by tony on Feb 19, 2013 10:18:36 GMT
Of course he will. Going back to the 'proven product 'comment.. The hartz has not been raced with over here. I have not tested it either . Talking to my italian racer friends the falc clutch is used extensively and works well and i am sure i have heard that on the esc the falc clutch works well... The Falc clutch did not cope with my race bike or johns on the bsso tracks. Adams standard 153 Falc however was fine with the standard Falc clutch on his bsso race bike. So I would put the clutch failure down to the state of tune of iohn's and my bike. So... To me the hartz is not proven... Yet. Is there not a clutch out there that holds a monster engine? Did you find a clutch that held yours and Johns engines Tony? We had 5 plates made but it was tight. We tried different materials and spring rates and oils. One of the problems was cooling and modifications were made on that front. In the end i found a solution and now it works. For an off the shelf Falc you won't have problems. Indeed with modded kits that rev higher and make their power higher it should not be a problem. I know the vpi racers use this clutch a lot and like it.
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Post by eean on Mar 11, 2013 20:19:17 GMT
;D ;D ;D At last, I picked up my frame from my mate George today, been getting the front wheel stripped tonight to get the paint off then repaint and have a tyre fitted on Saturday hopefully. I'll take some pictures at the weekend when I've got it back together to put some footpegs and sort the rear brake pedal out. Its 8ft long without the fairing upto now ;D ;D Feel like I'm getting somewhere now
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Post by bikegrim on Mar 11, 2013 20:42:45 GMT
Can't wait to see it!
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Post by eean on Mar 11, 2013 22:24:09 GMT
T'is a work of art Gareth, my mate George has done a reet grand job as they say here in Lancashire
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Post by Wayne Miller on Mar 11, 2013 22:53:16 GMT
Fuck off!!!!! I cant wait untill Saturday FFS!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by eean on Mar 12, 2013 7:19:13 GMT
;D ;D all shall be revealed but it will look better with the wheel on lol
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Post by eean on Mar 16, 2013 18:03:14 GMT
Reet, I've been at it all day today, went and got a few stainless bolts for the fork legs, painted the wheel and yolk last night, refitted the disc with new bolts and had a tyre fitted and stripped,cleaned up the fork legs and reassembled then fitted to the frame. Bolted rear section frame back up together and made a bracket and painted it to act as a steering stop up front. Heres the pics of it, its 2.5 metres in length, I need to sort a sidestand,(got one cheers), sort footpegs and rear brake pedal yet Any thoughts, suggestions welcome, it hasnt been cheap to get this sorted and was done by Motorsport Components in Bolton who do Chevron track day cars and chassis work and components for F1 cars etc, a brilliant team Plenty of room for the exhaust Mathias rear frame will be painted silver to match the Keisler and engine is a spare to mock up while I build the Falc monster
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Post by smallframetony on Mar 16, 2013 18:46:00 GMT
Looking fucking awesome eean! Well done man How much does it weigh? Almost as much metal tubing as a lam***tta!!!
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