marco64
ET3
'76 Primavera, '82 Primavera ET3
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Post by marco64 on Apr 25, 2013 20:39:29 GMT
Regardless of what they say at beedspeed there is a reason why for the same wattage you can buy 12v or 6v lamps... Try the correct ones!
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Post by jonnysnatchsniffer on Apr 26, 2013 10:55:46 GMT
cos the stator coils are open ended, without one end or the other being earthed the voltage between each end of the coil and earth will be minimal, earth one end of the coil and the other end will have voltage between it and earth, the 2 ends of the coils is where the voltage is greatest, so in effect its all wired in series, if you took a wire form the green to a switch then a lamp and then from the lamp to the black you would get it to light, but the problem is, is that the lamp will blow cos its taking full power without all the others on its a wanky way of wiring on uk spec 50 specials they wont start without a brake light all early models use the lamps as the regulation so need to be as per spec, this includes all the lamps. this is the way it was designed and putting a brakelight onto this kind of stator set up is not really feasable you can wire in extra ballast (resistance) if you so wish to stop nuisance blowing of the lamps but in all honesty going down this route will only cost you more in the long run get a stator that fits your needs, you will only end up getting one anyway, so do it now to save yourself hassle, im sure there are lots of 6 pole 6v stators you can adapt or even go 12v electronic
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Post by nige1972 on Apr 26, 2013 11:13:12 GMT
Regardless of what they say at beedspeed there is a reason why for the same wattage you can buy 12v or 6v lamps... Try the correct ones! ugh? Alan didnt say 12v mate..think you read that too quick lol Im using 6v
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Post by nige1972 on Apr 26, 2013 11:19:33 GMT
cos the stator coils are open ended, without one end or the other being earthed the voltage between each end of the coil and earth will be minimal, earth one end of the coil and the other end will have voltage between it and earth, the 2 ends of the coils is where the voltage is greatest, so in effect its all wired in series, if you took a wire form the green to a switch then a lamp and then from the lamp to the black you would get it to light, but the problem is, is that the lamp will blow cos its taking full power without all the others on its a wanky way of wiring on uk spec 50 specials they wont start without a brake light all early models use the lamps as the regulation so need to be as per spec, this includes all the lamps. this is the way it was designed and putting a brakelight onto this kind of stator set up is not really feasable you can wire in extra ballast (resistance) if you so wish to stop nuisance blowing of the lamps but in all honesty going down this route will only cost you more in the long run get a stator that fits your needs, you will only end up getting one anyway, so do it now to save yourself hassle, im sure there are lots of 6 pole 6v stators you can adapt or even go 12v electronic not mine Jonny. Been asked to sort out a speedo and remove the speedo blanking plate that someone had wired extra switches for light and horn to as couldnt get original switch to work properly. As far as I was concerned the job was done once I get bulbs today and try that but now it seems that ive not actually sorted anything out , think I may give up with electrics lol. I presumes the black from stator was earth as so it it connected at headlight plate to the black from switch that earths the ignition out..is this not correct? when it came to me all none of the lights worked and all bulbs had blown. New Euro loom with brake light wired in, thought it was sussed
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Post by jonnysnatchsniffer on Apr 26, 2013 14:06:19 GMT
thats the trouble, nowhere on the diagram does it indicate that black is the earth the black wire is the other end of the green wire, it just goes round the coil and back out again ive banged my head against a brick wall with this sort of problem and found that short of a bit of bodgery and some electrical knowhow its gonna be hard for you to do here is one thing to try, earth is the engine case for all intents and purposes disconnect the loom and do a voltage test between these wires and see what the voltage is when running green to earth = ? black to earth =? green to black =? now attach the black to earth whats the voltage between green and earth ? and vice versa ? you might be able to do a bit of bodgery to get it to work if there is enough voltage, power is a different problem that your 1 two ended coil might not supply enough of, but hey ho if the voltage is good, say 11-25v then you can use 12v bulbs and a regulator, if not then you will have no choice but to get whoever scoot it is to dip his hand in his pocket the trouble with that is again you have bought a new loom not knowing if it will work, and a 6 pole 6v stator is gonna bring a whole new host of what goes where, and a different switch etc
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Post by nige1972 on Apr 26, 2013 18:24:14 GMT
Sorry fella youve lost me now Everything works apart from brake light being really dim when lights are off. The black wire from stator is joined to the black wire from the switch, and cuts the ignition when you hit the cut out button. Whether this is right or wrong its doing what I thought it would do Surely if everything works I could just leave the brake light bulb out and send it back as "brake light not feasible unless you spend xxx pounds on electronic ignition"..Pretty much what Dave and Marko was telling me at the beginning of this thread A 6 pole as you say is different light switch,brake light switch, new loom? dont really wanna go there now like you say.
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Post by jonnysnatchsniffer on Apr 26, 2013 20:56:33 GMT
red is the cutout green and black are 1 wire like get the green wire, wind it round and round (the coil) and the other end is black yr brake light is dim cos there is no voltage there when the light are off, as it works in series and not that stripey word
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Post by nige1972 on Apr 26, 2013 21:57:06 GMT
;D so where does the black wire go in headset if it completes the circuit mate? Is it supposed to be wired up to the other black from switch?
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Post by nige1972 on Apr 27, 2013 15:50:54 GMT
Ive been in contact with Alan at beedspeed regarding this and he`s told me that the black is the earth!?! Not doubting anyones wrong or if they had two different systems but with the black wire disconected at rear light it still works with the bulb holder earthed to frame.
Anyway got me bulbs for rear light but they got the order wrong and sent 4x10w instead of 2x5w and 2x10w. Stuck 10w in rear light and brake light and the brake light completely zaps the power from all lights. Waiting till tues now to get the 5w and see what happens
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Post by nige1972 on May 4, 2013 8:43:52 GMT
Ok scoot gone back..conclusion to this is your right, beedspeed wrong, I tried. 5w brake bulb and you can see it lighting when brakes on and lights dim slightly. When lights off brake light invisible with light lense on. Recommended spending 3+ hundred quid if really wants a brake light and gets an electronic kit. Cant see the point in changing the stator for 6 pole and then loom,headlight (for hi/low beam), poss switch. Just aswell do electronic and be done with it. Thanks for all advice on here..invaluable
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