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Post by nickj on Mar 28, 2018 21:11:07 GMT
I might have another clutch cover somewhere that needs a new home if that’s any help?
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Post by snails on Mar 29, 2018 6:01:04 GMT
Thanks - let me have another look and see if I can persuade it to exit
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Post by snails on Mar 29, 2018 21:02:47 GMT
So I had another look at it this evening and it wont come out! I don't understand why. I even found another clutch cover and tried the same on that and it wont move either. I cant believe I have two clutch covers that both have some mystery fault with them so I must be missing something but for the life of me I cant think what Not that I think its of any help with my problem but what is the purpose of the tube that runs vertically in the picture below? Is it a breather? On the good news side of things whilst looking for the clutch cover I found not one but two rear light units. I knew I had one but thought it was a plastic & crap chrome finish one but it actually turns out to be alloy the same as its mate. Saves a bit of money is which is good, especially if I clean up one of the lenses to a good enough condition. After that its back to looking at exploded diagrams on SIP and wondering which parts I need / should buy. I dug out the bits from the front fork and for some reason I seem to have quite a few bits I cant find on any diagram. www.sip-scootershop.com/en/ersatzteile/spare+parts++vespa+50pvet3pkxl-577/steering+column++brake+drum+front-655?I have 6 rubber rings for a start. 2 are the O rings for the suspension arm (the large ones) 2 are sealing rings and 2 (small nearest the green speedo drive) are a complete mystery! I also have a stud and few bolts that I have no idea about. I guess its always the way what you strip a scooter you end up with a load of bits that you worry about when your driving the rebuilt scooter down the road. At least I do anyway!
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Post by snails on Jan 15, 2019 16:47:28 GMT
Nearly a year since I last updated this and I’m still going very slowly! I did eventually manage to get the lever out of the clutch cover. I was thinking it should exit the other way than the way it should! Overall, what a pain that was and I’m still not sure it was actually the cause of the slight oil leak I had. Just off the top of my head the things that have occupied my time on this project since last March have been: The headstock. After realising that I’d taken the wrong (v90) headstock to get powder coated I decided to get the chrome removed from my Primmy headstock via soda blasting as a less harsh method than the sandblasting that would have been employed the powder coat firm I use. This revealed a hole in the headstock near the front brake lever. Initially I presumed that this was down to the procedure used but after having discussed it with both the firm that did it and online I think it had been worn thin by the chroming process. Anyway, it needed fixing and I decided to do this using HTS2000 – an alloy welding rod that you can apply with just the use of heat from a propane torch to the area you wish to ‘weld’. Looks a lot easier in the You Tube vids that what I found in reality. The problem being that what looks like a good weld has air holes in when you flatten it out. When you reheat to reapply the existing weld just melts away and falls into the brake lever chamber of the headstock. Anyway, I did the best I could. Good job I’m not looking for a perfect resto! I then had to get it powder coated. Which is a pain as the place is only open weekdays and is a 45 min trip drive each way. Fortunately, a friend is doing a scoot too so he’s been making a few of the trips for me. I then realised that the gear changes on primmys and v90s have different length tubes so that was another trip and more delay. I then realised I needed a longer tube for the throttle side to, and then that the tube I ordered didn’t fit the throttle rolls I have, so another throttle roll ordered which only proved that I’d purchased the incorrect tube so that was 3 different sip orders . Hopefully I have it all sorted now, waiting on the latest sip order, so we will see. Front hub, forks and mudguard. Main delays have been down to waiting for taps I’ve purchased from China on ebay to turn up. Ordered the wrong size first time so than had to wait another 6 weeks for another. This was because the thread was damaged on the large screw that protects the speedo drive. Also the hub had to go the powder coaters twice as this didn’t do a very good job the first time. Another thing that took up a lot of time was getting things like the brake arm zinc coated. Forgot to get them done until I wanted to rebuild the hub. School boy error. Then didn’t realise I should have done the headstock parts too. They will have to remain bare. Stand. Bought the wrong size first time from Beedspeed and didn’t notice until about a year later when went to fit it so had to get another (and more feet) from SIP. Couldn’t be arsed getting that powder coated again so that’s staying in zinc rather than my desired satin black. Running Boards. They took forever to do. Hours and hours. Wish I had dry fitted and got the frame straightened out more (more of that later) as one edge side was really hard to do and isn’t to a standard I’m happy with but if I sqint at it it doesn’t look that bad and I’m just going to have to live with it. Cables and wiring. Still needs finishing off but hopefully Ive got it all correct. The last electrical cable for the fuel sensor was by far the hardest and I only fitted it in case I decide to upgrade. I was not planning on fitting a sip speedo when I refitted fuel tap to the tank so I had purchased and used a compatible tap and for now I don’t want to do again as I borrowed the tool (thanks again to the person who lent me it!). Oh and then there was the disappearing captive nut for the brake pedal that someone off FB kindly supplied a replacement and advice on. Glovebox. This is my major balls up. When I measured up for where the top bracket needs to go I didn’t use the rubber beading, meaning it was a. welded in the wrong place, b. I didn’t notice what a crap fit it was going to be because the leggies are not square. Decided to remove the incorrect bracket and cut the box to fit. Only thing is that I’ve removed too much off one side and it will still look rubbish. Need to add a bit to one side and possibly the bottom (much the harder bit to do). Decided to learn to weld so as I don’t have to pay someone to do it. Got an old welder off a mate which didn’t work. Sent it to someone who serviced it and then it blew up when the thermal override packed it (not his fault). I also managed to waste ¾ of my gas bottle being a muppet. Bought another welder which works okay but still not got to grips with welding to a high enough standard so not repaired the box yet or fixed the bracket and now I’m concerned as to whether I melt the electrical cables when brazing the bracket on so I might go back to the old glue idea for that! No idea how I will fabricate a curved piece of metal for the gap at the bottom corner of the box. I’ve run out of gas. Even once its been repaired it will need to go back to the powder coaters and I’ll have to tidy up the paint around the area where the bracket is. So overall not much progress but part of the issue is how much time and money my other scooter has consumed. Next is, I think, to get the headstock on and the engine in and then look at whether the bracket I constructed for mounting the cdi is going to be fit for purpose. If not I’ll probably go to plan B for that and mount it in the butty box area with the regulator and the speedo power unit. My concern about the CDI mounting position is whether it will catch on anything like the shock going over bumps and whether it will be affected by the rain. My old 50 Special used to pack up every time it rained. Anyway I'll post a picture when I get a chance, not that its that interesting
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Post by snails on Jan 15, 2019 21:53:51 GMT
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Post by triffid on Jan 29, 2019 15:44:44 GMT
Hey Snails, slow progress but it is progress . Easy solution for the hole in the butty box, leave it for drainage
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Post by snails on Jan 30, 2019 11:39:29 GMT
Hey Snails, slow progress but it is progress . Easy solution for the hole in the butty box, leave it for drainage Ha ha yes that is a good point. It wont even be easily visible and I suspect it will just be one of those things I know about and naggs at the back of my mind, but I may well leave it as I suspect it will be beyond my capability without investing in some equipment that I dont have money or space for
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Post by snails on Sept 24, 2019 13:26:55 GMT
Progress (of sorts) update. Wiring. It took a long time to work out because I bought the fancy light switch which includes the push button for the SIP speedo but I got it working eventually. Seat cover. Bought a replacement cover from SIP. Does not come with the foam so took it to a guy local to me to do. Got bitten buy his jack russell. He couldn’t get the cover on so I had to go and get it back and send it someone else. New guy has done a good job but overall the cost of the cover and fitting has worked out a lot more than I would have liked and I probably would have gone for a different seat if I had known, and also avoided the dog bite. Headlight rim - falls off all the time so having to use electrical tape to maintain a good fit. Complained to SIP and got a refund. Glovebox I’ve welded on some replacement metal to the area where I’d removed too much and done a fairly decent job fettling it so that it fits good enough for me to be able to live with it. It helped a lot once I’d read a bit about how to trace the line of the part that you are fitting it to. Filled in some holes with filler and then resprayed as I had to buy some touch up for the frame anyway - from removing the bracket. Its okay although as not perfect I may at some point redo it with powder coat as I’ve read about using JB Weld to fill in the few small pin prick holes I can see in my welds. At this point I don’t care and just want it finished. Eventually decided against using a riv-nut or gluing on the upper bracket and went for tapping it and using a fine thread. Had to wait for the tap with a really fine thread to come and then found out you cant get any bolts with that fine a thread and had to buy another with a less fine thread. Seems solid enough now though. The digital speedo does not work at all. I’ve been on to SIP and returned it and they have tested it and say it and the black box are fine. They have confirmed I’ve wired everything up correctly so I’m at a bit of a loss as to why. I have a couple of ideas about quality of earths that I’ve tried to improve and also fitting a ‘resistor’ type spark plug but I have not had time to test those yet for reasons I’ll get on to. CDI – decided it was too big so bought a replacement that someone on FB was selling. Fits nicely on to the bracket I made. I have a slight concern about it getting wet so I’ve fashioned some protection out of the remains of the CV boot I used as a replacement for the engine bellows. We shall see how that works. Only problem was that the when I fitted it and strobed the engine, I noticed that it was not advancing and retarding the ignition timing as it was supposed to. So, I went back to seller who was as good as his word and honoured the warranty and replaced. Fitted the replacement and getting ready to strobe it thinking, my god I’ve nearly finished it at last. Only the speedo to sort out and I can refit the old speedo if needs must, only for the engine to start jamming after a couple of seconds of running! It did this a few months back and then I thought I’d fixed it as it went away after I torqued up the flywheel properly but its back. I think its disappearing was probably a coincidence and I’m now thinking its going to require the engine out and a strip down.
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Post by triffid on Sept 24, 2019 15:09:52 GMT
getting there Snails, bodywork looking good from the pics, have you decided on a colour or leaving it primed?
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Post by snails on Sept 25, 2019 11:09:36 GMT
Ha ha ha that is the colour!
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Post by tzsteve on Sept 25, 2019 16:21:41 GMT
nice to see it coming along
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Post by triffid on Sept 25, 2019 20:38:27 GMT
Ha ha ha that is the colour! Ooops,sorry Looks good
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Post by snails on Mar 27, 2020 12:42:02 GMT
Ok, today has been a momentous day, as I've actually been out on a ride around the local neighbourhood on it! As such I'm officially declaring this project finished. I know that they never are and that there are already things to do and things I haven't quite completed but to me these are the teething issues you get with any project. It was actually surprisingly well behaved for a first go. Nothing fell off, it didn't die and have to be pushed home and it was a surprisingly good ride. Doesn't even feel that far out from a carb set up point of view! That would be a bonus. Oh and not too shabby performance wise either although obviously not keen to rag its arse off first time down the road. Its been not far off 11 years since I purchased it. A lot has changed in that time, in my life and in the world itself. This place aint as busy as it was so not many to see it. I cant ever see me doing another scooter project. They seem to double in time each time I do one! There have certainly been a few up and downs with the project (a lot of downs really!) but even though it probably needs stripping down and the floor cutting out or something and redoing (amongst other things I would do differently) that can certainly wait. I'm consoling myself that although no show winner it looks a lot better than when I got it. Lastly I should say, thanks for all the advice and help I've received from forum members both here and on the facebook group. I couldnt have done it without you
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