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Post by madmax on Oct 17, 2011 18:10:57 GMT
Really? Last time I ordered it was just over €5 hmm Must have a word with him then!
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Post by ttscshaggy on Oct 17, 2011 18:21:29 GMT
This was about 4 or 5 months ago tho maybe its gone up since then
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Post by madmax on Oct 17, 2011 19:26:52 GMT
This was about 4 or 5 months ago tho maybe its gone up since then Check this out.
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Post by Jimmy D on Oct 20, 2011 14:54:52 GMT
Well I just got one from LTH for 40 Euros ;D
(okay... i had a 140 euro credit note on my account...)
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Post by smallyshane on Oct 21, 2011 8:54:35 GMT
Bargain... (thats about what I paid for mine in total, but happy I did) I do hope that your clutch woes are now over ;D What spec motor is it?
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Post by Jimmy D on Nov 25, 2011 22:13:08 GMT
Right, finally arrived, had to wait for stock. Thought I'd post some photos... From the outside things look pretty standard. Open it up, though and you'll get this: The metal ring is an optional pressure ring, which varies the pressure on the plates. And there are the 24 springs... 12 smaller, 12 larger. I'm not sure I could tell you why the smaller ones make any difference - but I'm sure they do. This is it naked... The bell is identical to a standard bell. And the plates are standard 4-plate Newfren too... So overall, it's a well-made piece of kit. I do kind of think, though, that as the plates and clutch bell are identical to standard, it would have been nice to be able to buy the springs/bottom plate separately for £70 or something... feels like I paid quite a lot for bits I already had!
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Post by smallyshane on Nov 26, 2011 9:09:06 GMT
sorry about this, but i'm now a fair bit further down the road with mine, and i would advise using the standard spider over the new fren one.. If you look at the circlip that holds it alk together it will be out of atleast one of the retaining grooves, and also when the top plate is on the supports don't even touch the spider or offer any kind of way of stopping them splaying.. 3 times it spat the ring off before i started using the standard one. I must have done 2k miles prior to this happening, but then 3 times in about 8miles..
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Post by swallow on Nov 26, 2011 9:40:12 GMT
Hi Shane - are you saying that the clutch would be better if rebuilt using an original piaggio spider and spring-clip (replacing that which comes with the Newfren 24 clutch)
Or are you saying that you're better off not using the newfren 24 clutch at all or at least for a short life?
Have been pondering one of these for a while now
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Post by Jimmy D on Nov 26, 2011 10:17:44 GMT
Hmm, thanks Shane. Just had a look and while the circlip is in all grooves it's not in any of them 'all the way'... So I may experiment with the standard Piaggio one before I put it in place. Good timing mate!
Does mean I spent money on bits I didn't even need..... Sigh
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Post by Perkin on Nov 26, 2011 12:06:03 GMT
sorry about this, but i'm now a fair bit further down the road with mine, and i would advise using the standard spider over the new fren one.. If you look at the circlip that holds it alk together it will be out of atleast one of the retaining grooves, and also when the top plate is on the supports don't even touch the spider or offer any kind of way of stopping them splaying.. 3 times it spat the ring off before i started using the standard one. I must have done 2k miles prior to this happening, but then 3 times in about 8miles.. Have you reported back about that? If it's been released before it's been developed properly you should get some money back... In an ideal world.
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Post by Jimmy D on Nov 26, 2011 14:18:17 GMT
Okay. Clutch in, went for a 10 mile ride round the 'burbs. First impressions:
Dragging/slipping At the moment it's still dragging as much as my old clutch! Put it in gear and it lurches slightly, though doesn't try and pull forward. The revs drop more than my old clutch when put in 1st and it stalled at the lights when I put it in gear without revving first...
Weight at clutch lever Okay - either I'm a massive pussy or shane's is performing differently, because with all 24 springs in it is pretty hard to pull. Much harder than my previous single Polini spring and 4 Newfren plate clutch. Will have to see if it beds in a bit and loosens up as the springs are used more.
Power delivery This also might change as the clutch beds in, especially if it's dragging now, but at the moment it's better than my single spring clutch (with the same plates). It pulls better from the off and when I hit the power band it takes off like a fairly scary rocket... at least when you're going over speedbumps in suburban London ;D
So... I'd certainly not say it's an immediate improvement anywhere other than power delivery. I'm hoping the dragging is just because the plates weren't *that* oily when I took it apart, and need to bed in a bit. Will report back in 100 miles.
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Post by VMA2T on Nov 26, 2011 23:31:59 GMT
Please keep us up to date jimmy, got one coming for Xmas ( if I been a good boy ) !
Don't wanna be disappointed !
Experience better than reviews !!
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Post by gregpap on Nov 27, 2011 9:56:43 GMT
Okay. Clutch in, went for a 10 mile ride round the 'burbs. First impressions: So... I'd certainly not say it's an immediate improvement anywhere other than power delivery. I'm hoping the dragging is just because the plates weren't *that* oily when I took it apart, and need to bed in a bit. Will report back in 100 miles. Hi Jimmy, what motor do you have, is it an M1? How many hp is producing....? I am asking as I have the M1L09 with m2 + 3 polini discs and it holds fine, at least in the first 50km I am testing it... So something is worng here, either my m1l des not produce power or your 24-newfren clutch, which costs almost double than m2 has poor performance...
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Post by Jimmy D on Nov 27, 2011 18:15:20 GMT
Okay. Clutch in, went for a 10 mile ride round the 'burbs. First impressions: So... I'd certainly not say it's an immediate improvement anywhere other than power delivery. I'm hoping the dragging is just because the plates weren't *that* oily when I took it apart, and need to bed in a bit. Will report back in 100 miles. Hi Jimmy, what motor do you have, is it an M1? How many hp is producing....? I am asking as I have the M1L09 with m2 + 3 polini discs and it holds fine, at least in the first 50km I am testing it... So something is worng here, either my m1l des not produce power or your 24-newfren clutch, which costs almost double than m2 has poor performance... Nay, mine's just a simple Polini, nothing crazy. I didn't buy the clutch to cope with horsepower, I got it because before it was slipping and dragging at the same time... ....I'm surprised your 3 polini discs are handling an M1, though.
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Post by gregpap on Nov 28, 2011 5:43:31 GMT
....I'm surprised your 3 polini discs are handling an M1, though. Wasn't this clutch designed to hold m1l in the first place.../ Am I missing something? www.zirriangelocorseinvespa.it/trasmissioni.htmlComplete clutch, double spring, for engines up to 32 horse
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Post by smallyshane on Nov 28, 2011 11:00:25 GMT
Jimmy, Are you using the piaggio spider or the nefren one?
Mine was fine with the newfren basket, pressure was deffo less than with the single spring newfren that comes with the carbon plates, but is pretty hard to pull now I am using the piaggio spider with the newfren spring holder bottom plate. My plan is to remove the pressure ring from it and the little lumps at the bottom of the spider to give the extra clearance of the newfren basket.
Done about 2k miles on it now and the ring coming off was a bit shit, but in reality, I would have had to strip and rebuild the carbon one 3 times in that same amount of mileage and at a cost of about £75-80 in new plates...
Is your cable routing as well as it can be? this will make a hell of a differance to the action on the lever!! do you have the short or long arm clutch cover?
I agree that it does seem a bit of a con when in reality the top plate and the bottom plate and springs are all you are getting that is different from the original, but holding the power is a deffinate must, so is an improvement.
Don't K&G do a similar thing as seperates for about £90??? I'm sure I have seen one somewhere...
;D
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Post by jonnysnatchsniffer on Dec 1, 2011 10:50:51 GMT
trouble is its still a cork 4 plate and you still only have the same amount of room in there for the plates to separate, so drag will still be an issue that maybe wont go away
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Post by Jimmy D on Dec 1, 2011 12:56:37 GMT
trouble is its still a cork 4 plate and you still only have the same amount of room in there for the plates to separate, so drag will still be an issue that maybe wont go away Well, removing the extra ring you can see in the photos (which sits under the springs) should make a difference here, at least... at the moment it's limiting how far the plates can separate. The concern then being that it won't push the plates together as hard... at the moment there's definitely more torque than before, but it's dragging like anything and fuck me is it stiff to pull, rode home in traffic last night, stop/start, and my hand still hurts now
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Post by stusclues on Dec 17, 2011 22:37:46 GMT
Been reading this thread with interest. Can one of you boys give me an idea of the material the special part of this clutch is made out of?? Cos if it is available from an engineers supply house I can turn a few up at trade school without too many dramas i reckon, if I do manage to get one done I will need somewhere to get some springs from i spose... What difference to the design would you fellas recomend??
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Post by Jimmy D on Dec 21, 2011 9:53:26 GMT
Spent two hours in the cold waiting for a man with a van to pick me up after this clutch gave out completely... haven't the time, warmth or patience to get at it to see what's gone wrong, I'm thinking the circlip as Shane warned me about.
Could be the woodruff but I know I torqued the bolt down right, loctited, bent the washer well etc.
I'm going to say at this point that I wouldn't recommend anyone purchasing one - Shane and I are going to get a report together for Newfren (obviously depending on what the problem is with mine)
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